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I tend to replace guns when I find something better. Four inches would be the right length to fit holsters we got in the Border Patrol. Heres what he told Hellstrom, in his own words: To begin with, it ought to be a .357 Magnum. Ive always had a problem maintaining accuracy when I load magnum rifle calibers down like that. You just can't ask for more in a revolver. Hand fitting is non-existent. Call Smith. Be patient and look for a nice example of both, and hang onto them. I was interested in how long it would take a Magnum-only diet to damage a Model 19, so I asked around. The .357 cartridge was created by Winchester for S&W in the 1930's and used in the "N" frame S&W. Certainly not close to the almost glass break SA of the S&W revolver usually 3.5lb. BOTH ARE IN 100% condition. (I kept the factory ones.). When engaged, it prevents the hammer from being cocked and the trigger from being squeezed. Maybe their decision is the right one, maybe the insurers who provide them their acts and omissions insurance made it hard to, I dont know. What about single hand fire with a medium-framed .357? When I was younger, I couldnt understand the appeal of a wheelgun, when semi pistols could be had. Regrettably, I now have to carry a semi-auto, and although I do well, I truly miss my Smith & Wesson revolvers. MIM parts I can deal with, Im a gunsmith by trade and know how to smooth the trigger up so that MIM parts are unnoticeable. Despite plenty of time on the range and a lotof time dry firing, I still cant shoot this gun fast. Can you imagine what given the huge jump in tech of bullet construction a 110-125gr full house max psi load would do by the old loading standards. But when you despise the Hillary Hole that makes it a lot easier to consider a Kimber instead. Its just about perfect for personal protection, and it makes a darn good trail gun, too. Note: The 19-3 revolver with 357 magnum self defense loads is always on my hip while hunting, just in case I run into an overly aggressive (or hungry) bear that wants to mess with me. Regardless what I shoot, the best I can do is to stay inside the 5 bullseye of a B-16 target at 25 yards. If they are so dang proud of that hole in the side of their revolvers, then why dont they display that side of the weapon? Could be the cylinder gap is a little wonky and the heat and carbon build up on the front face of the cylinder is causing it to drag against the forcing cone. They also allow for setting min cyl gap. My new from the factory custom shop model 41 pistol is a nightmare. Not only will these shoot sub 1.5 @25 yd they will shoot sub 2 @ 50 yds. True, and Im not much of a fan of the 1-7/8 rev olver. The noise will come from the cylinder. The 686s are astoundingly accuratemore so than the Ruger GP-100, which replaced one of the finest .357s ever made, the Security-Six. The thinner stocks, combined with the tapered profile, caused the pistol, with stout loads, to ride up in the hand. The bore is five-groove rifled with a 1:18.75 right-hand twist. BE SURE to watch the Chapter 2 follow-up. I love the 19 more than anything and prize them, evwn over my new Sig P226, Mt25 Romeo, I will pick up next week when I get back home from a cruise. While some may object to the MIM (Metal Injection Molding) parts, there is nothing wrong with them from a functional standpoint. I stopped and empited the gun. You have some tough standards!:-). Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Kimber K6S Tle .357 Mag / .38 Spl. I even had a Class A engraved Model 19 with a 6.0-inch barrel during the late 1980s, but I decided I didnt need any of my barbeque guns and traded off all my engraved S&Ws, Brownings, Remingtons, and Rugers. The Model 19 has something of a checkered past for reliability, one thats likely due more to rumor than actual experience. The Model 19 Combat Magnum is the result of legendary U.S. Border Patrol shooter, Bill Jordan, convincing Smith & Wesson to chamber a K frame in .357 Magnum. [emailprotected] [emailprotected] from 6 barrel ouch!! Glad to see S&W had the same idea! Ive only ever owned one revolver, and I regret letting it go. Revolvers, The models of S&W that were produced in smaller numbers cost far more in the used wheelgun market. If I have to wear nice shoes, the gatsby does too. I was in awe. Im not angry with s&w because its not controlled by the cretins who caused the degradation of arguably the finest revolvers ever devised.just sad. Excellent - 95%+ condition with or without box. Then a couple of years later, I wised up and got an S&W 19 four inch and carried that until my wife bought me a Model 66 with a six inch barrel, the stainless version of the Model 19. Most new gun owners will think this Classic is the best looking 357 magnum revolver. Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! And give us the shining gems of the earlier days. Is the cylinder binding up? Great revolvers! They were all out of timing and the forcing cones were showing serious wear. What is your 8 based off of? Thats plenty good for self defense work, and also good enough for any hunting of light skinned game within the ballistic limits of the round. While the .357 lever gun would make an excellent self defense rifle at modest ranges the .30-30 has a huge advantage downrange. And when the duty gun classes arrived, because some departments issued 4 Model 19s, a 4 Model 19 joined the fray. 4.5 (54) Smith & Wesson Model 642 .38 Special +P Revolver . Since the TTAG editors cut my last comment, Ill be nicer this time. Yes sir. At some point the county prosecutor mandated that we had to qualify with what we carried in the gun. Usually 1 @ 25 and sub 2 @ 50. The keyhole is not obligatory because they still make some popular models (e.g. its my understanding the weakness issue at the front of the top strap was solved with the 19-4. A .357 would do the trick because they shoot those cheap .38s, too. Buzz, thats why I dont bother with home brew re-loads. If it jams unloaded, it is probably a burr on the cylinder face that took a few rounds to raise up. Always favored the bright blued over the nickel plated. Due to its rust-resistant qualities, the Model 66 was even used by SEAL Team 6. This is a working mans revolver, the Glock 17 of its day. I put the gun away for the day. Smith and Wesson Model 19-3 Genuine Factory Original Box with Tools Papers 1955. While not nearly as pretty as the Model 19, the Ruger is not likely to wear out from a steady diet of .357s. . The reduction in metalexactsa price in the thickness and strength of the frames top strap. Smith & Wesson was manufacturing its .357 Mag. People who load their own should be aware that the worries about the flame-cut of the topstrap is only one issue with stout loads. The sample I fired for this report was powerful and accurate. Smith & Wesson 586 Classic Problems. Contrast all that with a semi-auto pistol. With only 60 rounds? HK VP9 and again needs trigger work. All three guns are rated for .38 Special +P ammunition and hold six shots. But my first wheel gun many years ago was actually calling to me from the gun case at my buddys shop. However, happened to watch a hickock45 review where he mentioned, it was spitting on him (cylinder gap) when he tested it. The Smith & Wesson R8 is everything the iconic Model 19 was and even more. This is essentially a re-creation of the Model 48 K-22 MRF with a four or six inch barrel (sans under-lug). I spoke with two long retired officers who carried (and loved) the four-inch Model 19. As I pointed out below the true full pressure stuff is the Buff alo Bore, Double Tap, etc. And it certainly outclasses any of the common modern service pistols in fit and finish. Another pet peeve of mine, people who dont know that those Federal, Hornady, etc. I like that combo and havent found anything better. Subscriber Services. He didnt have time to shoot the new revolver before the performance, so he didnt use it; however, he did show it to the world of TV viewers, saying it was the answer to a peace officers dream. The gun went on to become a very successful design, extremely popular with law enforcement officers as well as with sportsmen. 1. Loved the article JW. I cannot further condone the use of such folly. Le/Mil Only. I dunno. The Smith and Wesson Combat Magnum is alive and well. But the ground off portion of the forcing cone makes it the weakest part, and thats normally where cracks begin. The only change was to substitute grips that better fit my small hand. Older kids may find a way to unlock the gun and anyone could steal the gun and unlock it later. I would expect that anyone with even a fundamental grasp on English would not have read my sentence on the cycle of the 29s cylinder as the notion that once the trigger is touched, the cylinder just spins on while firing, as you apparently have. Almost every part is metal injection molded. They were available in both a deep blue and a polished nickel finish. The fact that many manufacturers are resurrecting old wheelgun modes indicates that round guns are far from dead. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. I recently switched from carrying a 9mm Colt LW 1911 Commander to a 4 Smith & Wesson Model 19-4 .357 Magnum in a Galco Combat Master holster on a quality, heavy 1/2 leather belt. Failure to fire twice. Modern is NOT always better. But I have to admit, I was expecting a little better. Yep. Wood grips look great but the hogue monogrip made this gun become part of your hand. It does everything I required of it when I bought it but I didnt include pleasure to hold and own in the requirements. The revolver dons a highly polished, blued finish and traditional thumbpiece . Well, the blued Model 19 is back, and it has some new style. It's based on the N frame, larger and now with an eight-round cylinder instead of the six of the 19 and earlier N frames. The Model 19 is chambered for .357 Magnum.The K-frame is somewhat smaller and lighter than the original N-frame .357, usually known as the Smith & Wesson Model 27.A stainless steel variant of the Model 19, the Smith & Wesson Model 66, was introduced in 1971. 2) The re-design of the frame in order to better accommodate the stupid lock makes the gun look cheap and unattractive, it has ruined the lines of an otherwise beautiful revolver. Id take the 6-inch in stainless steel, though Ive always wanted a 4-inch too. . A similar situation exists with .44 special in a .44 magnum revolver. There ought to be one of those shrouds over the ejector rod. Thanks RobC, I actually have one available at the shop, but ultimately, I find little use in them. If you love to wear polyester fabric jackets? I regret firing the 6, but I will no fire the 4. Instead, all we get are 686s and GP-100s and the added weight that keeps them from being good field guns. But in all fairness, you need to compare that snubby to a 3 or shorter 9 mm. The chambers are not counterbored. Theres no doubt about it, the S&W K-Frame is legendary. K-Frame. . Since then even though 10s of 1000s of revolvers safely ate these with boring regularity once lawyers starting dictating policy and buisness cartidge performance went down not all at once but a bit yr after yr and to this day is still happening. breadcrumb. Shooting from a leather holster I use for my seven-inch Ruger Bisley Blackhawk, my best draw and fire of one round into an eight-inch circle at 15 yards was 1.36 seconds. The new Combat Magnum was initially offered with a 4 barrel. It takes some work, you might pay a bit more, but with a little effort there are Model 19s out there for sale from before the Hillary Hole was introduced. However, true to Pearce's refreshing "warts and all" style of review, the article revealed some problems with the new EDM rifling and cast bullets. Back to 1954. The weight makes up for the 4.0-inch length. I agree with JWT regarding barrel length and DG regarding quality. I carried a Smith & Wesson J-frame for a couple of decades, and still carry a Model 29 when Ihunt. Great shooter i carried one as a officer and i still have it , it feels natural in your hand i love the k frame 19. 1 more deal from guns.com . I do miss that gun. The red ramp Baughman-style front sight is pinned into the barrel shroud. All the pivoting/bearing surfaces are smoothed up and polished, and the rebound spring is lightened by trimming a coil or so off of it. I can appreciate this comment, however, Ive always considered my sidearm (pistol) as a close quarters (probably within 10 yards) defensive weapon. Brian Pearce's article in the December 2014 issue of Handloader Magazine, (issue 293), was quite favorable to the new "L-frame" S&W model 69. Never missed a beat with specials. Part of that is due to the barrel length, but that grip plays a big part in double action fast (fastish?) I have shot a model 66 with the new shrouded barrel and the lock. All accuracy testing was conducted at 25 yards with the revolver mounted in a Ransom Rest. I would probably go all in for the .38. Side Refine Panel. The .357 out of a lever gun is even more stout. The new Model 19 Classic utilizes Smith & Wessons keyed locking system. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. No matter, I own a Model 586 in bought in 1992 that still have along with the 29 and a 657. The frame is real important. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Jordan believed that a medium-size double-action revolver with a 4.0-inch heavy barrel chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge would be the ideal sidearm for law enforcement officers. I CURRENTLY OWN A 6 AND A 4 MODELS, BOTH BLUE IN PERFECT CONDITION ,ALMOST NIB. The Smith & Wesson Model 19 is a revolver produced by Smith & Wesson that was introduced in 1957 on its K-frame. I CARRIED A 4 NICKEL AS A ROOKIE IN 1974, AND WHEN I WENT TO VICE/NARCTICS A 2 1/2 ONE. The trigger itself, however, is clearly superior on the older Model 19. Agreed to this day based on FBI shooting data no other normally carried SD or LE duty cartdige comes close to the one shot stop data of the full power 357 loaded with 125gr JHP of old. Price Used: $800-$900 as reviewed, available online. As support to these claims do a quick search on Google DR 158 LRN revolver site:www.bullseyeforum.net , But if you want the best ammo try Atlanta Arms .38 SPL 158gr LRN load or 110 or 125 gr jhp match ammo this will shoot sub 1.5 @ 25yd in any in spec 4+ barreled S&W revolver. As far as accuracy, the Model 19 shot well. This is one place where this revolver absolutely shines. Shoots like a dream. In 1955 the .357 Magnum version was first offered. SKU: 12040. Weight: 39oz as reviewed Speers .38 +P 125 grain Gold Dot was very controllable at a mild 888 fps. When everything is a game of compromises, the Model 19 was the first revolver to win that game, measuring weight against caliber in a perfect blend. Inadvertent? YOU CANNOT BEAT THE MODEL-19-3. So you get some advantage, but not much. We also noticed that the new stocks are slimmer than the originals. As an aside, I hada conversationabout this gunwith ayounger but experienced shooter. We were later issued the stainless M-66 and were happy to move up to the vaunted .357 magnum. Still, I normally practice with 38 spl, but often run a cylinder (or 2) of 357 just to keep me honest. For that kind of shooting, I like to begin by working on making a smooth draw from the holster and putting two shots on target at a distance ranging from about five yards to seven yards. The trigger on our test pistol was surprisingly smooth and the single action broke cleanly at 4 lbs. I really enjoyed this review and appreciate such a classic. EVERYONE PLEASE FORGIVE MY TYPING AS I AM ON VACATION ON CRUISE, TOO MANY UMBRELLA DRINKS! That little hole above the cylinder release is my main turn off with S&W revolvers. Customization * * During the sixties and seventies, the Model 19s were works of art with pinned barrels, recessed cylinders, and the walnut magna stocks were hand-fitted to each frame. breadcrumb. In fact, with the shrouded hammer and slimmed down profile, their 3 revolver is probably superior to a comparable S&W from any era for carry. Smith and wesson midel 41 issues again. Im a retired engineer and 35 years ago I worked with a materials engineer on the development of steel MIM parts for aerospace and defense applications.

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